Jordan Peterson's Biblical Sacrifice and Hans Hoppe's Time Preference: Part 1 - That which you value most

Jordan Peterson draws immense meaning out of the short story of Cain and
Abel in Genesis. One of the main concepts in this story is the idea of
sacrificing that which you value most, embodied by Abel's sacrifice of
his best animals.  Cain, on the other hand, sacrifices a pile of vegetables.

While both brothers offer sacrifices, God only finds favor with Abel's
sacrifice. It is a bigger (actual?) sacrifice, and it is sincere. Abel
is "all in" when it comes to foregoing present enjoyment for future (or
spiritual) enjoyment. Cain, on the other hand, isn't offering his best,
so can he be said to be truly sacrificing anything?

What struck me the first time I heard Peterson articulate the
evolutionary significance of humans learning to practice sacrifice (stay
tuned for Part 2) is that it is exactly Hans Hoppe's description of Time
Preference.

Hoppe notes that the basis of savings (and all of civilization) is the
willingness to sacrifice present enjoyment for future enjoyment. Even
better, in a honest system, this sacrifice results in MORE future
enjoyment than what is sacrificed in the present. Exactly as the story
of Cain and Abel describes.

Peterson could shorten his description of "sacrificing that which you
value most" by using Hoppe's simpler phrase of "the present moment" or
"present enjoyment". Perhaps the phrase "present pleasure" would be even
stronger.

Cain wasn't really sacrificing enjoyment by burning some plants, but
Abel was burning a delicious fatted calf that I'm sure was making he and
his brother's mouths water. Cain was sacrificing the present SUFFERING
of choking down plants, but Abel was sacrificing the present ENJOYMENT
of marbled steak.

There can only be one type of sacrifice - sacrifice of what you value
MOST, right NOW. Both parts are necessary or it isn't sacrifice. When
you have plenty of money, saving doesn't feel like a sacrifice, and it
isn't. You reap a reward measured in small percentages. But the reward
you get from taking the first step in saving the FIRST dollar, the act
of forming the habit, is the ENTIRE VALUE of the savings, not just the
interest.

-David Giessel

The complete and undeniable truth

Can you handle it?

Judges 9:7-15... for you Statist so called Christians

⁷ When it was told to Jotham, he went and stood on top of Mount Gerizim and cried aloud and said to them, “Listen to me, you leaders of Shechem, that God may listen to you. ⁸ The trees once went out to anoint a king over them, and they said to the olive tree, ‘Reign over us.’ ⁹ But the olive tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my abundance, by which gods and men are honored, and go hold sway over the trees?’ ¹⁰ And the trees said to the fig tree, ‘You come and reign over us.’ ¹¹ But the fig tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit and go hold sway over the trees?’ ¹² And the trees said to the vine, ‘You come and reign over us.’ ¹³ But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?’ ¹⁴ Then all the trees said to the bramble, ‘You come and reign over us.’ ¹⁵ And the bramble said to the trees, ‘If in good faith you are anointing me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shade, but if not, let fire come out of the bramble and devour the cedars of Lebanon.’

Funny, the brambles are the only ones who would accept the call to rule. Also, the brambles are obviously inferior to the Cedars. 

So Cedar, who should reign over you?

Missionaries of the State

Patriot's Lament February 9, 2013: If God is Against Us and Force Them to Defend Us

In this episode we discuss whether God is on the side of the "U.S." or not. Or did He switch sides? We have a full hour of first time callers call in, and we ask if the state governments will  not protect us from Federal tyranny, and they just rubber stamp anything the Feds do, then why not just get rid of state government altogether?

More on gay marraige, and the State

So - Separation of State & Marriage. Sounds good to me.

This is from the comment section of the last post. And I agree, mostly. But more to the point, all separation from the State, and ultimately the end of the State, is much more desirable.
When the conservatives brought the State into being an arbiter of marriage, they got what they asked for. You would think that they would see the fallacy of their desire, and cut the tie from the State and marriage.
But no. And why would they? When you get a State marriage license, you get benefits from the federal government!! And from State governments!! Who doesn't want that?
But at what cost?
They have now given the State the Authority to decide what the definition of marriage can be. Just for some measly tax benefits. Instead of trying to get tax benefits from the loving State, they should have fought taxes in the first place.
But no, let our god be the State, our well being, and the well being of our children, are it's #1 priority. Even better, let the State take care of our children, so we can use our time in a more productive way.
As far as deciding what marriage ought to be, haven't we seen yet that the State is a non-existent entity?
You will never drive down the street and say to your child, "look!!! there is the State"!!
The "State" is merely other human beings, who people have chosen to rule over them, and grant them the power by consent to decide for them that which is proper or not. People no different than themselves.
And yet, when these people make decisions they don't like, they howl and cry foul!!!!
If you are going to be upset at the decisions the State may make, then why did you bend your knee to let them make any decision for you at all?
 At what point did you not know that which is right, and that which is wrong? At what point did you need someone to tell you?
The State will of course want to sanctify gay marriage, it will give it more power. And if you look at it from the State's point of view, how can it deny gay marriage? Why would it?

Whether or not the State allows gays to get a marriage license, it has no bearing on me. I see the State as a entity of pure evil, and no one has been able to show me otherwise. So what do I expect the State to aspire after?
Why do "Christians" get all upset with this issue? And why do they promise their fealty to the State if the State will just see things their way this time? "We will be good serfs and bow to your authority over marriage if you will just keep "Those" people out of the club." 
I don't have a marriage license. I did not ask the State for it's permission to marry. It was, and is, none of the States business. So if gays convince the State to sanctify their marriage, it won't bother me, I reject the State, I reject it's sanctification, I reject to it's very existence.
Let evil do what evil will do, and simply reject it.

Reject the State, and withdraw your consent from it.

Patriot's Lament January 5, 2013: Fundamental Problem and Legitimacy Through Uniforms

In this program we ask if our Right to keep Arms has actually become a stumbling block to our Liberty. Have we done nothing because we fall back on our Arms, though we have never used them? We also talk about how even the most worthless person becomes a god when he puts on a costume,(uniform) and can get away with whatever he pleases because of the supposed legitimacy of the State.

Patriot's Lament October 27, 2012: That's The Breaks and Pants Off Protest

In this episode, we award Congressman Peter King with our "Piece of Crap Award." Listen and you will see why. We then delve into Romans 13, and try to answer the question of whom shall we serve, in what we feel is an oft-misquoted chapter of the Bible. In the next hour we talk about the Church and say that when a church gets a 501-C3 they subject themselves to the whim of the State, and compromise themselves.
We then answer the question:  "Did Jesus say we must pay taxes?" Again, we ask, if you cannot serve 2 masters, WHO THEN SHALL WE SERVE? Steve, at the end of the show, protests the "saggy pants ban" in Florida, by taking off his pants. I am so thankful that we are not a live video feed program. Your eyes would cry for the rest of your life.
 

If you don't vote, inferior people will govern you.

Or so says local Fairbanks radio host Michael Dukes, referring to Plato.
Sorry Mike, just because his name was Plato, doesn't mean he was always right.
Today was our statewide primary voting day. And the local radio shows went on and on about the need to vote. They even went out of their way to mention Patriot's Lament, and ridicule our stand on not voting.
Meh.
Doesn't bother me. I listened to all their arguments for voting, and they all made me laugh. Just the fact that they have to devote their whole show to advocate for voting, makes me laugh. If it is the natural right thing to do, you shouldn't have to devote 3 hours advocating for it.
I love the "It's your duty and responsibility as a citizen to vote." First, a citizen is a slave, he is under someone. Second, in what founding document of our country, by any of our Founding Fathers, is it written that it is a duty to vote? In what document do any of our American Founding Fathers say voting is a responsibility? Not gonna find it. So quit lying about it and trying to make your fellow servants believe it or feel guilty that they have unknowingly broken a solemn oath if they don't vote.
There are plenty of other things that the Founders said was a duty, like the Juror's duty to vote against the government, or his duty to cast off tyranny, but I can't find anything about a serf's duty to "Vote" for a ruler.
Michael Dukes said, Look, the options are this, cyanide or arsenic, but we have to choose one or the other. Cyanide will kill you instantly, but arsenic you can spit out and maybe last longer. And that is our only option!
What is that supposed to mean?
Sorry, Dukes, I will not choose suicide. Either slow or fast.
My real beef?
"If you don't vote, inferior people will govern you."
Hey, Michael, anyone who forces himself on me is my inferior! Who knows how best to govern myself but me?
If a man should govern another man, he should also govern how a man worships God. Michael, do you think a man should govern how I worship my God?
 How can anyone, who has 2 arms, legs, eyes, and a brain the same as I have, rule over or govern me?
A lady called in and tried in vain to ridicule our position. She said," We do not live in ultimate tyranny!" We should all participate in the process"!
And that is why we should vote?
 Maria, the boys at Lexington did not live in ultimate tyranny. In fact, they had MUCH more Liberty than we have today. But they chose Liberty over ANY and ALL tyranny.
Every example you gave of your freedom today, was just an example of what the government ALLOWS you to do! That is not Liberty. That is slavery.
So is voting. Voting is a slave deciding on which master will beat him, but the plantation never changes!

Simple-minded serfs. You will not take dominion over your life, or even responsibility.
So-called Christians, you tell me I should have a king? You point out his evil and then tell me I must participate?
I have no man/god. I have no man/king. I have no man/priest.

I choose not to give my consent to any evil. I will not vote to use force of violence against my neighbor.
So what if my decision "doesn't change anything"?. I am not called to force the world to change. I am called to be the change.

That is my vote.

Oh, That My People Would Listen to Me

There shall be no strange god among you;
    you shall not bow down to a foreign god.
Psalms 81:9 

But as David pointed out in an earlier blog, here, we do have a strange god. And that god is the state.

COME OUT OF HER!!

Churches as polling places 

Choose, then shut up and accept the consequences.

<sup>This goes along perfectly with the previous post today. 

Get on out there and VOTE your life away.

"Give us a King".

Here you go.

Leave God alone, you have chosen whom you will serve.</sup>

1 Samuel 8:10-18

¹⁰ So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him. ¹¹ He said, “These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots. ¹² And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. ¹³ He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. ¹⁴  He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. ¹⁵ He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants. ¹⁶ He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men^[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. ¹⁷ He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. ¹⁸ And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”


"No Kings, No Priests"!!!!

The state claims domain over rain water

But that doesn't surprise us does it?
Really? The state is god!!!! Bow, subject.
Either that or get off your knees and reject the state.
The state owns the rain? What next? The sun? Wind? Air?
Whatever you concede, that's what the state owns.
I think little old Fairbanks just doesn't get what is going on in the lower 48.
Oh wait, but we let our borough tell us how we will heat our homes....

god/state owns the rain 

god demands child sacrifice

And that god, who's holy name is STATE, who claims to be the great WE ARE, at the behest of Its high priests, are now demanding, if you do not give your child in sacrifice to State, you must give other offerings, to show State your worship, and bless it for all that it gives you, everything you have, every liberty you know, including life itself.
This story, which I first read on Lew Rockwell, made me sick. But when I heard it on the radio on the top of the hour Fox news, it scared me, and what better day than the 4th of July?
 Richard Maybury nailed it when he said we are no different than ancient Rome, we worship death, we worship power, we worship war, to the point of child sacrifice.
This is nothing more than complete obedience and fealty to the state. The state is these people's god.
You, serf, should feel remorse for having children that have not been sacrificed to State. You should feel guilty that none of your children are maimed for life, or dead, because that sacrifice would be to State, and there is no greater sacrifice than to State.
You better wake up. This will soon be a law no doubt. State has no fill of blood. State lusts after, and requires, blood.
Folks, we aren't talking about Revolutionaries fighting the king for Liberty, or fighting for your freedom.

We are talking about the endless war of Empire god/state.

My God, by comparison, said,  Love those who persecute you, and bless those that hate you.
Love your neighbor as yourself? Obviously, those brown people "over there" aren't our neighbors.
I wonder what color the good Samaritan was?

Sorry State, I do not worship you, I will not sacrifice to you. You cannot have my children.  

I reject you, I despise you.

I HATE YOU!

Sick psychopaths saddened their children live.

Why don't these people just kill their children, and call it the ultimate sacrifice to State? I bet they would not be charged with any crime....

Democracy, the god that failed

Short lecture by Hans Hermann Hoppe given at the Mises Institute.

You can get the audio on mp3 at itunes.

Video here.

For some reason I can't get the thing to work here, so just follow the link above.